Fuji vs. MFT?

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by madogvelkor, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. madogvelkor

    madogvelkor New to FujiXspot

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    So, apart from looking really sweet, what do the Fuji camera offer over those of a similar size from Panasonic or Olympus? Especially given the smaller sensor?
     
  2. ean10775

    ean10775 FujiXspot Top Veteran

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    Eric
    Arguably better IQ and high ISO performance; increased dynamic range, traditional external controls, Hybrid OVF/EVF (on the X100/X100S/X-Pro 1). They also have slower AF, arguably questionable RAW support and the lenses are typically larger than their m43 counterparts.
     
  3. Luke

    Luke FujiXspot Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    you should specify which Fuji you are referring to. The X100 and X100 have a sensor that is larger than mft.....it is APS-C size. So should we assume you are referring to the X10 or X20?
     
  4. ean10775

    ean10775 FujiXspot Top Veteran

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    I misread the OPs post. I thought he/she was saying the m43 sensor was smaller, but I now see that indeed it seems like the X10/X20 would be the Fujifilm cameras that are being referred to.
     
  5. Lawrence A.

    Lawrence A. FujiXspot Veteran

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    It's interesting to me that these kinds of threads (and I'm guilty of it myself, God knows) are always stated as x vs y, as if it is necessarily one against the other.

    I've just got my X100, and while I already like it a lot, and find it's image quality really wonderful, I don't think my E-M5 has anything to apologize for image to image compared to it. Sensor size may make a difference, but APS-C is not really all that much bigger than 4/3, except in the longer dimension. Many, like me, frequently crop 3:2, finding it often too long and skinny.

    The lack of a low pass filter in some of the X series (the X100S, though not the X100, and the two X mount cameras) probably has a more pronounced affect on resolution than the small jump from 4/3 to APS.

    As for the vs. part of things. If I had to choose one camera to keep right now, it would be my E-M5 for its overall superior functionality. And it's image quality is stunning. I'd expect the same for any of the cameras that share its sensor.
     
  6. zapatista

    zapatista FujiXspot Regular

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    Nothing like a little dpreview style angst to liven things up.
     
  7. Lawrence A.

    Lawrence A. FujiXspot Veteran

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    Huh?

    If you're suggesting that my comment was a hostile like so many at DPReview, I have to disagree in the strongest possible terms. But I'm not sure you're saying that or referring to the X vs Y syndrome.

    Please clarify.
     
  8. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs FujiXspot Veteran

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    I has the impression he was just offering that up as an explanation for why it always seems to be X versus Y. Not accusing you, but trying to answer the question that was implied in your post.

    But I could be wrong.

    -Ray
     
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  9. Lawrence A.

    Lawrence A. FujiXspot Veteran

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    You're probably right.

     
  10. zapatista

    zapatista FujiXspot Regular

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    The X camera is better than Y camera seems to be about 70% of all dpreview forum activity with maximum hostility. I'm guilty of it too at times. BTW, Go Lobos! I lived in Albuquerque for over a decade. :)
     
  11. madogvelkor

    madogvelkor New to FujiXspot

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    You're right, I should have been more specific. I was thinking the x10/x20 vs. the Olympus PENs or Panasonic GFs. The APS-C sensor seems like it would be obviously better when comparing the X100 or X-Pro to the OM-D (which seems to target the same market).
     
  12. JJJPhoto

    JJJPhoto FujiXspot Regular

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    Given that you're asking about the X10/X20 vs m4/3, my personal experience is that the X10 (and presumably the X20) hold up very well against the older 12mp m4/3 sensors and -- to a lesser extent -- the new 16mp m4/3 image sensors.

    A snapshot of my son that I took with the E-PM1 (available light and bounce flash):
    P7100254-L.

    A snapshot of my son that I took with the X10 (available light and bounce flash):
    DSCF1858-L.

    Honestly, if you're just shooting for display on the web or for prints up to 16x20 inches then you probably won't see much difference between the image quality from a X10 and a m4/3 camera up to ISO 400 or possibly 800 (depending on the quality of your exposure). The m4/3 sensors have a little extra headroom for rescuing an otherwise nasty exposure in the ISO 800 to 1600 range (older 12MP m4/3 sensors) or 800-3200 range (newer 16mp Sony m4/3 sensor) but I personally keep the X10 in the ISO 100-800 range and stay away from the higher ISOs with this camera. That's not to say ISO 1600+ is unusable on the X10 ... it's just that I prefer the look of my ISO 100-800 images from the X10.

    Both the X10 and the various m4/3 cameras are capable of producing good results and bad results ... that part is up to us as photographers.